Tahoe-LAFS featured in “Why the command-line is not usable”

[John Schiel]

On 04/08/2015 11:56 AM, Justin Stottlemyer wrote:
> I think that it's really the difference between a dev / hacker / grad
> student deployment and and widespread use cases.
I can see your point.

I also find it interesting that functionality can be hidden in GUI, you 
don't always "see" what is going on. If you go to the "one-page 
summary", 
https://www.tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs/browser/git/docs/about.rst, 
the very first heading states "

Welcome to Tahoe-LAFS!

Welcome to Tahoe-LAFS <https://tahoe-lafs.org>, the first decentralized 
storage system with /provider-independent security/.

Hiding the app in a GUI makes it less secure for me. I can't see what 
it's doing.

>
> Even if you look at some of the emails that this list sees from
> developers trying to spin up Tahoe in what I would consider the most
> basic model there are questions that wouldn't come from a more easily
> used product.
I agree, it's not the easiest of tools to implement. I have not tried 
because of perceived difficulty either. And also partly because I have 
not spent the time to learn it better or research more but that is my issue.

>
> This isn't something that is generally headed to anything outside of a
> Dev Ops model for quite some time. (IMHO)
>
> - Justin
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:47 AM, David Stainton <dstainton415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think this just means that for the people who do not know or like
>> command line tools, they will use the easier to use interface for
>> Tahoe-LAFS (which doesn't exist yet).

Agree with your point but then those that don't like command tools 
shouldn't use the software, their choice.


--John

>>
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 5:14 PM, John <jschiel at flowtools.net> wrote:
>>> Long time lurker on this project and I'm hoping it succeeds.
>>>
>>> Hmm, sorry, how can anyone claim to be an "expert" reviewer if you don't
>>> know how to do command line?
>>>
>>> GUI isn't the answer for everything. Just because you don't know how to do
>>> command line functions doesn't make command line bad.
>>>
>>> --John
>>>
>>> On 04/08/2015 10:40 AM, Tony Arcieri wrote:
>>>
>>> That looks like a pretty old version of Tahoe. It doesn't even have the
>>> redesigned status page I did.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Zooko Wilcox-OHearn
>>> <zooko at leastauthority.com> wrote:
>>>> Folks:
>>>>
>>>> You might be interested in this video in which Gus The Usability
>>>> Hacker added annotations on top of Taylor's instructional video about
>>>> how to use Tahoe-LAFS:
>>>>
>>>> http://gandre.ws/blog/blog/2015/04/07/why-the-command-line-is-not-usable/
>>>>
>>>> Please don't angrily lash out at Gus about this! We asked her to help
>>>> by telling us her opinion of Tahoe's usability. I hope that we'll get
>>>> into a virtuous feedback loop with her in which we make more changes
>>>> to Tahoe (hopefully for the better!) and she gives us more ideas about
>>>> usability design issues. You folks being polite and encouraging to her
>>>> would probably help.
>>>>
>>>> The bit about Lovecraftian horror is pretty funny.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn
>>>>
>>>> Founder, CEO, and Customer Support Rep
>>>> https://LeastAuthority.com — Freedom matters.
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