[volunteergrid2-l] status report?

Sun Feb 3 05:12:01 UTC 2013

+1 for the grace period - just to give anyone a chance to download stuff if
they need to.
On 3 Feb 2013 15:47, "Brad Rupp" <bradrupp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Since nobody is using it, I don't see the need to keep all the nodes
> around for two months.  But I'm OK with it if that is the consensus.
>
> Brad
>
> On 2/2/2013 10:32 AM, Jody Harris wrote:
>
>> I propose a sunset date of 31 March, 2013.
>>
>> Comments? Suggestions?
>>
>> Jody
>>
>> think carefully
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2013 10:24 AM, "Brad Rupp" <bradrupp at gmail.com
>> <mailto:bradrupp at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Jody,
>>
>>     I couldn't agree more.  Given the fact that no one is using it, I
>>     don't see the point of having a long sunset period.
>>
>>     Brad
>>
>>     On 1/31/2013 9:59 AM, Jody Harris wrote:
>>
>>         Based on the reports of those who have attempted to store files
>>         on the
>>         grid and the failures they have experienced, it has become
>>         apparent that
>>         VG2 is very "brittle" with just 15-17 nodes. For whatever reason
>>         some
>>         nodes fail to accept shares at (what appears to be) random. When
>>         stores
>>         are tested, Tahoe-LAFS throws warnings and stores are constantly
>>         in need
>>         of maintenance even when all nodes are available.
>>
>>         After closely watching the list for the last year and analyzing
>> the
>>         results my mental "estimatorinator" gives me a number of 35-50
>> nodes
>>         before VG2 would be able to be used without the brittleness the
>>         users
>>         are currently experiencing.
>>
>>         Many of us have been evangelists for this project, but we have
>>         had very
>>         little buy-in. Even some of our best supporters have simply shut
>>         down
>>         nodes when they relocated for work because it was a propitious
>>         time to
>>         gracefully exit the net without having to make excuses rather than
>>         bothering to restart the node at their new location.
>>
>>         I have hosted the introducer and run nodes for the last year and
>>         hosted
>>         the wiki. I have no files stored on the grid. The steady stream of
>>         reports from those who have have demonstrated that the grid is not
>>         sufficiently stable. Yes it will reliably store files, but they
>> will
>>         require constant maintenance to prevent them from rapidly
>> decaying.
>>
>>         Since none of the grid members have reported success with the
>>         grid, and
>>         all reports so far have shown the same level of frustration, I
>> think
>>         that we should start discussing a sunset on the project. I know
>>         that one
>>         grid member I have visited with recently has already decided to
>>         remove a
>>         node from the grid. I think that a formal discussion on closing
>>         down the
>>         grid and setting a date is in the best interest of the community.
>>
>>         jody
>>
>>         ----
>>         Ph. 575-208-4567 <tel:575-208-4567>
>>         - Think carefully.
>>
>>
>>         On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Zooko O'Whielacronx
>>         <zookog at gmail.com <mailto:zookog at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:zookog at gmail.com <mailto:zookog at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>              Thanks, Ruben! I'll have more questions about this later...
>>
>>              Now, I see that Jody posted on G+:
>>
>>         https://plus.google.com/__**117452941536317929490/posts/__**
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>> Y2Y5vLcvSnr<https://plus.google.com/117452941536317929490/posts/Y2Y5vLcvSnr>
>> >
>>
>>              "many more nodes would be required for the grid to be fully
>>         usable"
>>
>>              I find this surprising! Is the volunteergrid2 unusable?
>>
>>              Regards,
>>
>>              Zooko
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